[jhicks]

Snap Z cast. Very effective if you have no backcasting room. I use it all the time. Just ask Jason Baker

[jhicks]

Originally Posted by k_b_stephens

Here's a good one, very smooth cast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyV5y...elated&search=

This cast would only work with an upstream wind and even then it could be dangerous. Look at the path of the fly. Still pretty cool though

[racine]

Does it matter what kind of action your rod has to execute that cast? Will med action rods do this?

[jhicks]

Any rod will do it. you just have to slow down your movements on a slower rod, let it load properly. Everything in a roll cast of any sort is your anchor. Just remember that when doing any sort of roll cast everything is about energy. Transferring the energy of the rod to the end of the line. Think of it like there is a ball with a hole through the middle of it attached to the butt section of your rod. Your job is to get that ball out to the end of your fly line. All your movements through the cast must move that ball forward and further along the rod/line. If at any time the ball stops or moves backward you have lost the momentum and lost energy, thus making you add more energy to the cast. There is only so much energy you can add to this until you overpower the cast and end up with a line crossing over totally losing all energy. The parts of a roll cast are as follows.

D loop= portion of line sagging behind rod on back cast.
Anchor= portion of line touching water at bottom of D loop.
forward energy= kinetic energy added by you on all portions of cast.

Timing all of these to move the ball down the rod and to the tip of fly line makes for a good cast.

[OhioOutdoorsman]

John -

Just curious.....do you find yourself using a lot of spey techniques/concepts when small stream fishing? I'm finding them very applicable....when you need a tight loop or cast further with little to no room to backcast.

Bill

BTW - could the first video be a "wombat" cast? Seems to be a snap T, followed by a forward poke, then D-loop, then forward cast....whatever it is its way beyond my skillz at this point.

[jhicks]

Originally Posted by OhioOutdoorsman

John -

Just curious.....do you find yourself using a lot of spey techniques/concepts when small stream fishing? I'm finding them very applicable....when you need a tight loop or cast further with little to no room to backcast.

Yeah I use them all the time. It really helps.

[troutfreak]

does picking up the line and laying it down so many times not scare the fish?

[ditchmonkey]

Originally Posted by OhioOutdoorsman

John -

BTW - could the first video be a "wombat" cast? Seems to be a snap T, followed by a forward poke, then D-loop, then forward cast....whatever it is its way beyond my skillz at this point.

you really need to see the real wombat cast, masterfully done by josh "supaflygsr" almond himself, you will be enlightened and will never see any cast the same ever again.......

[supaflyGSR]

i personally like to think that i mastered that cast my 3rd try

[Loop Wing]

As far as scaring the fish. you do not do all that where you are fishing. With spey casting you are throwing alot of line and most of the line movement is done at your anchor point which is usually done near you.